This week we look back on our incredible week at Oshkosh 2025 and talk about the brand new MOSAIC program, and what it means for you as an aviator!
This week we look back on our incredible week at Oshkosh 2025 and talk about the brand new MOSAIC program, and what it means for you as an aviator!
00:01
Behind the Prop Into
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00:10
Nick Alan
This is behind the prop with United Flight Systems owner and licensed pilot Bobby Doss and his co host, major airline captain and designated pilot examiner Wally Mulhern. Now let's go behind the prop.
00:25
Bobby Doss
What's up, Wally?
00:27
Wally Mulhern
Hey, Bobby, how are you?
00:28
Bobby Doss
I am fantastic as always. This is kind of like decompression week for the both of us. It has been a long time.
00:38
Wally Mulhern
And.
00:40
Bobby Doss
Neither one of us have gone to Oshkosh together. We both went to Oshkosh this year, not together, but we ended up in the same place at the same time. And it was a whole lot of fun. I got to meet a bunch of fans and I got a few stories. Wally, how was your trip to Oshkosh?
00:56
Wally Mulhern
It was exhausting, as always. Good, good, exhausting. I mean, everything is. There's just a lot of walking, you know, and it, it's hot. And I, I don't. I mean, it's great. It was a great experience, but there were times where you just wanted a cool place and a place to sit down. But it was good. It was a really good time.
01:20
Bobby Doss
Those are freaking hard to find. I thought Wisconsin was like always kind of cold. I was wrong. It was actually more hot and more humid in Oshkosh than it was in Houston, Texas. And I was taken aback, to be honest. Now, it might not have been as hot if I wouldn't have been carrying a backpack full of behind the prop T shirts, but I was. And I got to meet a whole bunch of fans and listeners. Super cool, but I swear, every time I tried to coordinate a meetup, I was 1 mile walking distance from the person that wanted to meet with us, which was daunting to say the least. And I tried to make those treks as many times as I could. If I didn't get to see you, maybe in future years, I took my wife.
02:06
Bobby Doss
We had all kinds of new gear that we carried in war. And I thought a lot of people might just walk up and see me and recognize me, but it was fewer than I thought. But what was crazy, and I don't even know if I told you this, Wally, I was recognized by my voice by like four people. And I think that was the most impressive thing by my wife, of all things. At Oshkosh, were taking pictures at one point and I said, okay, let's go. And like a man and a woman Walked up and go, are you Bobby Dossier? And I said, yes, I am. She goes, I knew it right when I heard your voice. You're from the show. And she goes, I don't listen to your show, but I listen to my husband, listen to your show.
02:46
Bobby Doss
And it was really cool to interact with people like that and to be recognized both physically and by my audio voice. Super cool to meet people. Give away a bunch of T shirts. I've got all kinds of photos from people taking their airline trips home that they've sent me pictures of them wearing behind the prop T shirts. And the show was amazing. It was definitely overwhelming. If you've never been to Oshkosh, you have no idea. And I know I heard it before I went. It's huge. Huge is an understatement. You can't walk at all. But I don't know why you would walk at all unless you just wanted to see the airport, right? All day air shows all day long. I never thought Goodyear blimps could do aerobatic maneuvers, but there was Goodyear blimps doing aerobatic maneuvers.
03:36
Bobby Doss
Those of you that are young, you don't know the TV show MASH, but there was MASH helicopters running I think 20 hours a day like they never really stopped flying. Seminars, museums as far as the eye can see and hangars that are un air conditioned as far as the eye can see. I got pitched everything in the world from a $10 patch to a multimillion dollar aircraft. And the sales pitches never seem to end. EAA had amazing swag and stuff. I wish you would had a keychain with the year engraved in it. That would have been a home run for me. But heck of a good time. My wife got to have fun. My daughter works foreflight. We got to see her in her action.
04:23
Bobby Doss
And either she paid all of her co workers a lot of money to tell us that she does a good job or she's doing a good job at work. So that was fun to see. And that was probably the highlight of our days watching her be at Oshkosh doing her thing with that. What was the biggest announcement at Oshkosh, Wally for general aviation.
04:45
Wally Mulhern
Well, that's what we're going to talk about. It had to be Mosaic.
04:50
Bobby Doss
And what does Mosaic stand for? It stands for modernization of Special Airworthiness Certification. And I think that's a small little itty bitty component of the grander scheme of things. But it was a big deal. A lot of people were talking about it especially at an experimental air show where this does so much good for the EAA and the community around light sport that I think we have a whole bunch of game changing stuff. And Wally and I live in the world of flight training and private pilot certificates and we have our opinions, but in the grand scheme of things, the, this is really good for general aviation, this is really good for pilots, and this gives the opportunity to really expand the sport pilot certificate to what I think people always wanted it to be.
05:44
Bobby Doss
Wally, what are your first initial thoughts on Mosaic and the opportunity for sport pilots and those that may or may not be able to get a medical?
05:53
Wally Mulhern
Well, yeah, to me that's the key, is folks who are going to have an issue getting a medical. I was just thinking, I'm just going back and I'm saying, okay, the last 30 checkrides I've given, how many of those people do I think would be interested in the sport pilot certificate? And the answer is probably none of them. The sport pilot certificate is not probably for the person who wants to be a professional pilot. And by and large that's who, who I see for checkrides is somebody who is working their way up. There is the occasional, just somebody who just wants to learn to fly. And this might be the right mix for them. Again, there are some limitations or some nighttime limitations.
06:57
Wally Mulhern
You know, we're not even going to talk really about the insurance limitations of what the insurance companies are going to require. And we don't know that. We don't know what they're going to require. So, you know, there's a lot to be a lot of questions at this point. There's still a lot of questions. But having said that, if there is somebody out there who for whatever reason cannot get a medical or, you know, there are some people don't want to get a medical. They don't, they feel it's a little bit intrusive maybe to go get a third class medical. This might be, this might be the right certificate for them.
07:37
Bobby Doss
And I completely agree. I get asked all the time as a flight school owner, like, man, I need to save some money. I need to start slow. I'm going to start with my sport pilot certificate. And, and since we sold our lsa, our light sport aircraft a number of years ago simply based on demand, it was one of those things where we just don't do it anymore. And since Mosaic's been announced on July 22, I've got a number of requests. Are y' all gonna do sport Pilot training. Can I fly your 172s? Maybe even your 182? All kinds of questions and not a lot of clarity. But the final rule is published. Like there's enough clarity where I think we can answer a lot of good questions on the show today. So let's start with like the airman certification changes. What, what really changed?
08:28
Bobby Doss
And at a high level I think most people struggled with the weight requirement in light sport for up until this date. And so they've really changed the weight requirement from going from £1,320 to that was a max takeoff weight to something more focused on performance metrics which is the, this clean stall speed. And that clean stall speed can be a maximum of 59 knots. And that includes a large number of aircraft that I wasn't even aware of. Including the 182T that we have 2007 1A 2T at United Flight Systems has a clean stall speed of less than 59 knots. I think it's 58 knots. And based on that it becomes a light sport. What does that mean? Does that mean you don't know you no longer need a high performance endorsement and can just come get a light sport certificate and fly that aircraft?
09:29
Bobby Doss
Not so fast. But know that they've gone from the weight to the clean stall speed as the biggest component. And now there is a max weight if that clean stall speed matches of 3,000 pounds which is a big jump from 1320 to 3000. That's, that's more than 250% almost. Wally. That's a huge amount to change by rule and expands the horizons tremendously. There's also a speed thing that changes from 120 knots all the way up to 250 knots. That's a massive change. And up to four seats, which I don't understand Wally because you cannot fly with more than one passenger. But you can fly an aircraft that has up to four seats. And there's all kinds of other endorsements and training that you can receive to expand your flying capabilities which would include night retractable gear.
10:31
Bobby Doss
Again, these faster, more performant aircraft and as planes can get certified which this is the big question I think we both had too. Does every old plane count? Not count? What's the certification? Are they going to get recertified? I think that's a bunch of minutiae that we don't need to worry about today. But new aircraft as they come to market. A new Cessna 172 will have a light sport. I'm assuming I'm not the manufacturer, but I assume they'll have a light sport category, they'll have a utility category, and they'll have a normal category that they're all certified for. Do you think that's the same thing?
11:12
Wally Mulhern
Yeah, I would think so. You know, my introduction to light sport airplanes was many years ago, and my daughter was learning to fly. She was getting her private pilot certificate, and the flight school had a Cessna 162A Skycatcher, with which was a light sport airplane. So she started flying in this light sport airplane. And after she flew it, I don't know, she probably had about five or six hours. I thought to myself, hey, I'd like to go get checked out in this airplane. And I remember calling her instructor and saying, hey, can you check me out in the airplane? He said, sure. And he sent me a PDF copy of the PoH. And I, I, I started looking at the weight requirements and I asked my daughter, I said, well, how much do you think your instructor weighs?
12:06
Wally Mulhern
And she said, well, he's about your size. And I'm doing the math and I'm going, well, gee, we can take about six gallons of fuel. And, and I remember calling him up. I said, I think his name was Mike. I says, mike, I said, my math says that we can take six gallons of fuel. And, and his comment was, well, just don't eat the night before. I won't eat the night before. And we'll take about eight gallons. And I'm thinking eight gallons. I, I, I don't want to go anywhere with eight gallons. Well, the thing was burning, I think about four gallons an hour. So it was about little under two hours worth of fuel. And we got in the airplane and I said, we're not going very far, are we?
12:55
Wally Mulhern
He said, well, we'll just get out of the Delta, we'll do a couple of steep turns and stalls, and then we'll come right back. And I said, well, okay, all right, that's what we did. But, but now that weight problem has gone away because it was 1320 pounds. And you know, most of our airplanes have a, you know, your 172 Warrior type airplanes have an empty weight of what, the 1600, 1500 pound range? So they were above it. Empty.
13:27
Bobby Doss
Yep. And that's why it ruled out so many. And that's why this, I think, is a big deal. Was because everyone was kind of hoping that all the PA28s and all the 172s would meet this requirement. Even 150s they were hoping would get in this requirement or this lsa or the ability, if you had a sport pilot certificate that you could fly them. And it does cover that. But it's not all greener pastures. There are some things that aren't going to be good and we'll talk about some of that later. I do think that the privileges are quite shocking. You know, being able to be endorsed as a sport pilot to fly at night. There is a restriction that if you want to fly at night, you still do have to have a third class medical or basic med.
14:11
Bobby Doss
There's an ability to get endorsed to fly complex aircraft as they would qualify for light sport. I'm assuming there's a few arrows out there, Wally. I'm assuming there's a whole bunch of experimental stuff that might qualify. I didn't go look at every type of aircraft in the world. But the big one that I think will mostly appeal to some of the wannabe pilots and the people that just have never pursued this because of medical reasons or desire not to take a medical is that there are some limited commercial operations like aerial photography, other type inspections, glider towing and potentially some banner towing stuff that we have yet to uncover the right letter of interpretation to describe everything.
14:55
Bobby Doss
But there's for sure the opportunity to take some pictures, do some inspections of land and maybe some glider pulling and some other banner towing that might give you the ability to make some money as a light sport certificate holder. And that's got to open up the opportunity for people. The other big one is if you are an experimental aircraft owner, there's some chances that your repair capabilities and your maintenance capabilities go way up including a possibility of you being able to do your own annual type inspections by taking a course and being able to do some things to inspect your aircraft. Maybe not the repairs that would be required if needed, but you could do a lot of the inspection stuff and that's got to get people route up and excited about the potential.
15:47
Bobby Doss
Without a medical, you could do day VFR complex aircraft, really fast, really high performing aircraft without a medical. And that's got to appeal to a whole bunch of people that either maybe lost the medical or unable to get a medical. Walling, what are your thoughts? I mean we live in a world of people who want to be pro pilots. So this might not be our normal crew, but there's got to be a lot of older, younger men, women out there who, this is appealing it and.
16:18
Wally Mulhern
And I may be speaking wrong here, but I, I believe if a medical has ever been denied, you do not qualify.
16:28
Bobby Doss
Interesting.
16:29
Wally Mulhern
But that might, that might be something worth some research.
16:33
Bobby Doss
We will follow up with a post on social media for sure, because if that is the case, we will definitely come back and clear that up. But the net of it is if when I was 42 and I started flying, pretty good health, probably had a little bit high blood pressure, but maybe I didn't want to get a medical, this would have been the inroads for me to do some of that fun flying that I wanted to do. Although it limited the one passenger is kind of the thing that kicks me in the gut. Like, I get it, I understand the reasoning. But the one passenger does limit you quite a bit. If you want to fly with your family somewhere, for sure.
17:11
Wally Mulhern
Yeah, yeah. And, and almost anything that you want to do, you need a lot of endorsements. We're going to need bigger logbooks with more room in the back. If you want to fly in a class, you know, if you've, if you get light, you know, a sport pilot certificate at an uncontrolled airport and you want to fly into Delta airspace, you need an endorsement for that. You need to be trained and endorsed. You need to be trained and endorsed to go into Charlie airspace or Bravo airspace. So there's just a lot of endorsements that are required for a sport pilot.
17:50
Bobby Doss
And I'll say that's kind of the hidden piece to this whole thing that I talk about a lot. The economics of flight training is not small. It's not, it's not a cheap thing. And a lot of people are always looking to cut a corner or make things cheaper. And we work really hard. There's dozens of episodes on this show alone where we try to save people money and cut corners or double dip. But at the end of the day, if you only need 20 hours of flight time to be a sport pilot with the certificate, that's not very much flying. Wally, I'm normally shocked when people solo at 20 hours, but to think that they could go fly across the country in a 172, that's crazy to think that.
18:40
Bobby Doss
And so I think it is kind of appropriate that if you want to fly in the Delta airspace, you need a little bit more training. The 20 hours is so limited and the aeronautical knowledge is so limited. The one that is really shocking to me and to you As a private pilot, you need three hours of instrument or hood time training. And we all know that the most deadly thing is inadvertent flying into IMC Kennedy. We go on and on. Right? No instrument training required to become a sport pilot. Well, that's kind of scary to think just how humid it is in Houston and how much possible moisture is in the air which could become visible moisture which could become clouds. That's a big deal.
19:29
Bobby Doss
And so if you get zero of that, well, man, yeah, I think you need a little nighttime training if you're going to fly at night. I think you need a little bit of busy airport training. If you're going to fly into a busy airport. I think that's where that tick kind of just goes and goes. And then the question begs when do you challenge the sport versus private kind of paradigm? And I really think it's simple. I think we both agree, people listening, you might not agree, but send us a message why you don't agree. If you don't want a medical, stick with sport. If you can get a medical, it's almost a no brainer to get a private. What are your thoughts there, Wally?
20:13
Wally Mulhern
Yeah, I definitely believe that. And I went through there is no ACS for a sport pilot. It's a pts, a practical test standards and I skimmed through the PTS for sport pilot today and what I saw and maybe I missed something. It's very possible that I missed something. But, but it looks like the check rides, the flight portion of the check rides are almost identical with the exception of there's no emergency descent required for a sport pilot and there's no hood work for a sport pilot. But everything else, all the landings are there. The short and soft field, forward slip to a landing, go around emergency landing, all the air work, the stalls, slow flight, turns about a point, ground reference, maneuvers, they're all there and the standards are the same. The short field landing is still 200ft beyond the spot.
21:13
Wally Mulhern
So it's just, you know, I don't know how many people at 20 hours are going to be extremely competent at doing all that. So I don't know if that 20 hour mark is realistic and I could be wrong, I, I'd be the first one to admit that I were wrong. If that were the case.
21:38
Bobby Doss
And if you don't want to make money like commercial certificate type money, I think the math is there to say pursue the private. But if the medical is the biggest thing, this is huge for you. You're going to get to do some fun flying. The thing that I also am afraid is going to be huge for you are your insurance premiums. I don't think there's many companies out there that are just going to let you go rent a plane at a club or a flight school. I don't think clubs are going to allow it. That's going to be a roadblock that we haven't seen or that the government hasn't talked about. With Mosaic being approved, what are those requirements going to be?
22:16
Bobby Doss
And I just don't think an insurance company is going to let you rent a quarter of a million dollar aircraft and go fly it without paying some serious premium if you only have 25 hours of flight time and don't have your night endorsement, don't have your high performance endorsement, don't have your complex endorsement, don't have Delta endorsement, don't have Bravo endorsement. I think it's going to ultimately feel a lot like you need a private pilot certificate to be insured. That could change drastically over time. But insurance companies, I joke all the time, Wally. This world is not mandated by me or the federal regulations. This world is mandated by insurance companies. True or false?
22:59
Wally Mulhern
Absolutely. Absolutely.
23:02
Bobby Doss
And so we're all afraid of that one big thing that could happen. And the less flight time you have, the more risk you are to the insurance company. And at 20 hours, no one's going to get it. There might be somebody in some small town somewhere that can get a sport pilot certificate at 21 hours. But in the grand scheme of things, not too many people will do it and then not too many people will be productive in their flying. No high performance, no complex, no nighttime if you don't spend some more time in the plane. And if you do all that, I would actually say it's going to be more expensive to go sport then private because you're going to have to pay Wally twice. Nope.
23:43
Bobby Doss
That's no offense to you, Wally, but you're going to take two check rides and then you have to rent the plane twice to take two check rides. And by the time you do that, you're probably more close to the minimums of private. And again, we're all in on helping those that need the sport to get there. But it's less likely that the large majority of pilots that can get a medical are going to benefit from the changes made under Mosaic. For sure.
24:13
Wally Mulhern
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
24:15
Bobby Doss
The maintenance stuff is very interesting to me and we're not going to spend a whole lot of time on it. But one of our two challenge questions are going to talk about the maintenance. So we're going to let you go do some research on the maintenance, but far expanded from what a private pilot certificate holder can do maintenance wise to their own aircraft, preventive maintenance, et cetera, that's listed in the regulations. There's some stuff in Mosaic that says I can take a course and do a lot of stuff minus major repairs to my aircraft. And that's exciting news. I have a really close acquaintance, barely missed meeting them up at Oshkosh, who has been building his own plane for years now and actually flew it up there this year.
25:02
Bobby Doss
Super excited for him and all that he's accomplished with that aircraft and all the people in Greater Houston that have participated in his build and moving wings and putting it all together. Super excited. With a 16 hour course, he might be able to do his own annuals.
25:19
Wally Mulhern
Wow.
25:19
Bobby Doss
That's shocking. I hope it works and I hope it does good for everybody that is part of the EAA community and is participating in this world around, maybe some of these expansions around Mosaic. For sure. Timeline's pretty interesting. It was announced on July 22. The majority of this goes into effect on October 22 or the world saying end of October. And then the certification stuff's going to take a while. Like I don't know what it's going to take for Textron and Cessna to certify A172 as a light sport aircraft, but I am the proud owner of a 20, 25 Cessna 172. And it's not a light sport. But if you have a light Sport certificate after October 22, you're going to be able to fly it.
26:10
Bobby Doss
But I don't know that my insurance company is going to let you come rent that aircraft for sure.
26:16
Wally Mulhern
Yeah. And you know, another thing is examiners. I, as it stands right now, I am not eligible. I do not hold the I'm not able to issue a sport pilot certificate. If I'm not mistaken, only three of our examiners here in Houston have that authority. And I could be wrong. I could be very wrong. But not every DP has it. So there's a shortage of DPEs. So there's even more of a shortage of sport pilot DPs. Now I have asked for that authority. I put in the requisite application today that said I want to be able to do sport pilot certificates. So we'll see what happens. I'm not sure what's going to be involved in that.
27:09
Bobby Doss
I think there's another interesting fact that I, I, I'm a flight school owner and I'm not sure a lot of flight school owners are going to want to take this on it. It doesn't sound like a heavy lift, but it's going to be a heavy lift. I mean, if your school uses a syllabus, there's going to have to be an adjustment to the syllabus. There's going to have to be rules created around soloing and insurance conversations and open insurance policies. Like this is not just the government approved mosaic, so all the schools have to support it. There is a huge amount of additional risk that comes along with this frequency of flying, training, etc that I think everyone has heard that it's been approved. But take a deep breath. This isn't something that everyone's going to embrace.
28:03
Bobby Doss
I will speak publicly on this podcast and say my leadership team and I talked since Oshkosh and we support it. We're going to do sport training, we're going to do it in our 172s and beyond in our PA28s. But there's going to be a lot that we're all going to have to learn together between us, insurance and the goals of our students to make it a home run or make it a win for everybody. It's just not going to be something that is going to be easy to ingest in our environment today because it's not what we've been doing. But I'm excited to say we're going to do it. And if you live in the Houston area and want to become a sport pilot, we're going to open our doors October 22nd or thereabouts, the end of October and make it a reality.
28:51
Bobby Doss
Hopefully Wally will be qualified then and we'll do some of our checkrides for us. But it's, it's going to be a little bit new and we're going to take some time.
28:59
Wally Mulhern
Well, Bobby, correct me if I'm wrong, but even the scheduling system that you use, Flight Schedule Pro, I mean, it's not set up for this. It's you have to, do you not have to enter a medical date in Flight Schedule Pro? So Flight Schedule Pro will let you actually dispatch that airplane to a renter? Isn't that the case?
29:21
Bobby Doss
I, that's a great point, but I would bet that Fly Schedule Pro will have that checkbox fixed before.
29:26
Wally Mulhern
Yeah, well, I'm sure it will, but it's just, it's another.
29:30
Bobby Doss
That's a great point. Hundreds of companies are going to have to check the boxes and fix the things to make this just work. Because the rule changes everything, right? So it's not just whether Bobby wants to support it's whether Bobby's software and system support it. How do we incorporate it? How do we create logbook audits? How do we train our team? This is not a small step. This is a huge step for flight schools and everybody involved. I need to go read part 91 and understand some of the sports stuff. Since we gave that up a while back, I haven't thought about this stuff.
30:06
Bobby Doss
And so I would just say, if you're interested, ask questions, be a little patient, understand that it's not something that we're just going to be able to implement overnight, but we got almost three months left to figure some of it out. And the bigger piece I'll be candid with is this will be a small, small component of our flight training endeavors, not just the United Flight Systems, but at every flight school in the world. And that's going to ultimately mean it's going to be less advantageous in the grand scheme of things to commercial businesses. I doubt I'm going to give up all my private pilot training to focus on two or three sport pilots that want their certificate. That doesn't mean I don't love you three or two or sport pilots, but it's.
30:55
Bobby Doss
I can't change my business model to accommodate a couple of you. And that's going to be the reality of it. So we're going to have to understand the supply, we're going to have to understand the demand, and then we're going to have to understand what is the supply available to the demand that we have. Then every flight school out there is going to have to make that decision for themselves as well to wrap things up. It's been a great conversation. I've loved actually diving into this and reading about it. And I would say I'm probably at a 50% level of knowledge to where I want to be. And I've spent quite a bit of time. So everyone out there that thinks they know it all, there's no way you do. And go read more, go learn more. Let's keep asking questions.
31:40
Bobby Doss
Let's make each other smarter. If we've said something wrong, post it on social media, tear us down, we don't care. We want to get smarter and better. But we have two challenge questions. It's been A long time since we've done some of our challenge questions. But for a chance to win a T shirt and I promise to give away a handful of T shirts, send us a message to bobbyhindtheprop.com or do it on social media. Two questions. First question is under the Mosaic final rule, what's the maximum clean stall speed for an aircraft a sport pilot can fly? And. And can you name one classic general aviation plane that fits this limit?
32:21
Bobby Doss
If you'll send the answers to that question to bobby behindtheprop.com or on social media, you'll be entered into a drawing to win one of our fantastic gray behind the prop T shirts that you could have got for free at Oshkosh if you would have ran into me or Wally. And number two, the harder question, and I think we'll give fewer T shirts away to this one, is under the Mosaic final rule, what specific maintenance task can a light sport repairman perform on experimental amateur built aircraft after completing a 16 hour course? And when does this provision take effect? That's a two part question. You must answer both parts to be eligible to be entered into our drawing.
33:04
Bobby Doss
And we'll give away at least half a dozen T shirts between those two questions and ship them out to you wherever you are in the United States. And we look forward to hearing from all of you. If you liked this show or like this type content, let us know what else we could talk about to make you a better pilot or make you more exciting. I gotta give a big plug Wally today to Fly with K. She was at Oshkosh. She partnered with me on a number of things and we've partnered with her. Fly With K has a huge audience. You can find her on all the social medias and YouTube at flywithka. She came and flew our brand new 172 about a month or so ago. We flew to Navasota on a pretty low coverage day but we did a great job.
33:51
Bobby Doss
Flew fun. I gotta say I rewatched the video today a bunch of times and my landings were pretty good. Go check out the video on Fly With K Flying with Bobby Doss and United Fly Systems and our brand new 172. She came back a couple of weeks later and flew with one of our top flight instructors. Her name is Jasmine. I can't wait for those videos to get released, but go check out the video. Feel free to grade my landings and my Flying with Fly With K. And we look forward to hearing from you, our listeners and doing more for you in the future. As always from Bobby and Wally. Fly safely and stay behind the Prop.
34:32
Nick Alan
Thanks for checking out the behind the Prop podcast. Be sure to click subscribe and check us out online@bravetheprop.com behind the Prop is recorded in Houston, Texas. Creator and host is Bobby Doss. Co host is Wally Mulhern. The show is for entertainment purposes only and is not meant to replace actual flight instruction. Thanks for listening and remember, fly safe.